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Past Rubenator 2021-05-12 17:21:52

Thanks, I'll have a await to see if I can observe the bug.

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By Rubenator 2021-05-13 x:22:32

Simply updated hovershot to detect when a monster dies and hides the interface (since your stacks will reset anyway)
(same link) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CFdYz9ibP3K9XMzK-dKOoLqTsfxwvbkq/view?usp=sharing

Asura.Icilies said: »

I'm not the best at figuring out why merely right now this addon UI just goes away and stop working after a while.

Unloading and reloading does non resolve the upshot.

Actually I did gear up it.

Clearing Hover Shot and re-applying resolved my issue

I'm really non sure how to reproduce this as, equally long as the addon detects when the buff is upwardly and/or gets applied it should show upward afterwards your first shot while hover shot is active.
Afaict even in the worst of circumstances, reloading and shooting should have made information technology evidence up over again, or re-using hover shot and shooting also should have made it bear witness up again.
If you find a manner to reliably reproduce the problem with the new version, let me know.

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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2021-05-13 12:17:16

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »

So Gandiva is going to get my killed and laughed at twice as fast now huh

So I know I seen your mail service but take you tested out Gandiva even so? Legit feel similar its gonna exist super strong now would love to run across what you notice out.

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Past Asura.Topace 2021-05-13 13:05:sixteen

I wonder if capped hover shot makes fail not have some utilise. Wonder how apex arrow fairs now.

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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-05-13 xiii:08:18

What's to wonder? How much did information technology do before? Double it. That'southward how information technology fairs now.

Am actually curious nearly how it applies, exactly. Does Terminal stand get a double boost? JR a triple heave?

aka; is it applying to all hits of a multishot ws (particularly flaming and hotshot)

By SimonSes 2021-05-thirteen xiii:sixteen:36

Asura.Eiryl said: »

aka; is it applying to all hits of a multishot ws (especially flaming and hotshot)

Early examination shows its something similar similar impairment bonus on goblins in Dynamis Jeuno. Then information technology doubles everything, but information technology doubles hybrid WSs twice information technology seems.

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Past Asura.Eiryl 2021-05-13 13:18:29

The new meta is gonna revert to hotshot. you lot only need to do 25k to hit 99k then... and you can probably hit that with ease.

With the weird enmity reduction on hotshot information technology'll be better than TF/LS (that's non exactly worded correctly, but you know what I hateful)

Past SimonSes 2021-05-thirteen 13:xx:21

Bahamut.Justthetip said: »

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »

Then Gandiva is going to go my killed and laughed at twice as fast now huh

So I know I seen your postal service but take you tested out Gandiva yet? Legit feel like its gonna exist super strong now would love to see what you find out.

Gandiva is the same as Arma actually, only weaker if you lot have exactly aforementioned buffs. Gandiva advantage is that you lot are safer at information technology'south Ture Shot range. That being said, afaik (right me if Im wrong), you lot can be at Guns Truthful Shot range on medium/bigger mobs while having hate on you (so shot from true range while tanking).

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By SimonSes 2021-05-13 13:24:52

Asura.Eiryl said: »

The new meta is gonna revert to hotshot. you simply need to do 25k to hitting 99k then... and you lot tin can probably hit that with ease.

With the weird enmity reduction on hotshot it'll be better than TF (that'due south not exactly worded correctly, but you know what I mean)

Hybrid WSs are hybrid WSs. They very ofttimes wont work in endgame. You lot need mob that is weak/neutral to both physical damage and burn down and thats often not the example. Expect at NIN. It has 3 elements on its hybrid WSs and when they work you lot can likewise hitting 50-99k depends on buffs and without whatever stacking or limitation to one target, not to mention other benefits of NIN. Do you see NIN existence DD gods because of that? Non really, because Hybrids ofttimes dont work.

EDIT: Non to mention you take Wildfire, which is as well burn down element and it was already possible to cap damage with information technology using Bolster Malaise and magic buffs on something similar Zerde. Information technology's easier to apply just magic debuffs/buffs (For Hotshot you will too need capped or at least proficient ratt and racc) if fire works and Wildfire will easily practice 99k then too with Hover and volition also chain with itself.

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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-05-13 13:31:56

If they had a 4x modifier.... that'd exist different.

And now they exercise. So........ yep.

By SimonSes 2021-05-13 xiii:37:33

Asura.Eiryl said: »

If they had a 4x modifier.... that'd be unlike.

And at present they do. And then........ yes.

No it wouldnt. Yous still are express by the fact that you demand capped ratt and mob that doesnt resist fire or have massive MDB like 90% of Ambuscade or HTMB. Non to mention you are express by Hover shot alone (single enemy and needs stacking) which takes out lots of fodders that could be good target for hybrid WSs otherwise.

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By Fenrir.Melphina 2021-05-13 13:47:56

And then I take a question unrelated to the current give-and-take. I'm gearing up my ranger and I'd like to know what the proper fashion to set upwards a ranged assault macro using console commands is. My intuition tells me that the syntax should be this

/console exec "Preshot set"
/ra <t>
/await i
/console exec "Midshot ready"

However, that raises the question as to whether or non the one second delay is too long. If I complete the builds outlined in the sticky, then past the time I'm using the optimal Flurry 1 and 2 sets will the extra rapid shot push the delay below 1 2nd to the point I'd stop upwardly shooting in my preshot fix? And if then, is there a more than efficient way to go well-nigh macroing for this? I don't apply gearswap, simply directly console commands and equipment macroes hither. Thank you for the help.

By SimonSes 2021-05-thirteen 13:52:54

You pretty much cant do information technology in Vanilla afaik. Thats why Vanilla people were so happy near Ikenga gear up, because its great pre and midshot set.

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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 13:57:12

If you're using windower macros, and order of execution is guaranteed, y'all tin practise it past using /equip prior to /ra and /equipset after /ra, with no wait. The customer volition non send 2 equip packets for the aforementioned slot in the aforementioned approachable packet interval, only information technology will gladly transport an equip for every slot and an equipset later on. So, make an ingame equipset for midshot, and set up the macro by doing /equip for preshot, and so /ra, so /equipset with no waits. I remember y'all'd want it all in the aforementioned script to ensure windower doesn't mix up society of scripts.

I wouldn't telephone call windower macros vanilla, but that's only a nitpick.

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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2021-05-thirteen xiv:45:26

Melphina you lot would swap the /ra <t> and the /wait ane honestly. So

  1. /panel exec "Preshot set"

  2. /wait one

  3. /ra <t>

  4. /console exec "Midshot set up"

This way, similar to blm, you can deal with short delays because your midshot gear equips right as you lot start aiming.

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-13 fifteen:00:eighteen

SimonSes said: »

You demand mob that is weak/neutral to both physical damage and burn and thats often not the example.

Is Arebati actually weak to fire (dmg)? We know piercing, but I have never seen fire nukes on him then i am not sure. Flaming Pointer with Gandiva could exist a fun, if so.

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Past Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-13 xv:21:42

SimonSes said: »

You lot pretty much cant do it in Vanilla afaik. Thats why Vanilla people were so happy about Ikenga fix, because its great pre and midshot set.

I apply it in vanilla without any scripts. Might seem clunky, simply it works simply fine.

41 is preshot, 12 is midshot

/equipset 41 <wait 1>
/ra
/equipset 12

As long equally you account for the wait in your timing of your shooting blitheness, you lot don't even notice it. I hit the macro a split up second before it actually fires. The animation shows me putting my weapon away and and then immediately pulling it back out for the next shot. The /ra and the /equipset 12 happen simultaneously, only due to order of operations you lot volition aim in your preshot and shoot in midshot.

You tin can likewise apply this aforementioned macro, but past adding a swap to your preshot AFTER your /ra. Something like

/ra
/equipset 12 <wait 1>
/equipset 41

That way your wait is after you lot shoot just y'all will always be in your preshot set after every shot.

By SimonSes 2021-05-13 fifteen:35:52

In first macro Hover shot will be even more clunky, because if yous hit it also early you lot might shot as well fast and go interrupted and if you click it besides tardily, you lose on dps. In 2nd macro you take terrible survivability while standing idle in your preshot set up.

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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 15:42:34

Yous don't need the wait if preshot is /equip and midshot is /equipset, or vice versa.

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-thirteen xv:45:32

SimonSes said: »

if you hit it too early you might shot also fast and become interrupted and if yous click it too late, you lose on dps

It's all about timing and getting a rhythm downward. The DPS loss is very minimal if even any at all, given that the vanilla way of doing information technology is then antiquated. I have parsed on par with other RNG who use automation simply fine, so that doesn't seem to be much of an outcome in my case.

SimonSes said: »

In 2d macro you have terrible survivability while standing idle in your preshot set.

Survivability is only relevant when you lot need it, and is kind of moot since you volition be shooting from range anyways. I have never been in a situation where I needed survivability while shooting, because I'thou out of range of annihilation harmful. If information technology happens where the monster turns his attending my management, it'southward a simple macro click to DT/Idle set. If that weren't plenty, in that location'due south already plenty of items that cover survivability and snapshot all in 1, then if it was truly a problem, I could brand a set up that covers both just as easily. I take never needed to play RNG with that kind of gear up, so I don't foresee it becoming an issue.

Just maxim, information technology is very possible to create a vanilla macro entirely with equip and equipsets. Whether yous think its clunky or outdated or unsafe is another story.

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-13 15:47:06

Shiva.Thorny said: »

You don't need the wait if preshot is /equip and midshot is /equipset, or vice versa.

I am aware of this. The thing about this is that vanilla macros only have 6 lines, and so you apply at least 3 only prepping with preshot/ra/midshot. That just leaves iii slots for gear swaps using /equip, which is non enough SS swaps. Scripts is another story because you lot're unlimited, but I was responding to Simon'due south comment where he said it wasn't possible with Vanilla (which would be 6 lines in a macro).

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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2021-05-13 16:xix:28

Shiva.Thorny said: »

If you lot're using windower macros, and social club of execution is guaranteed, yous can exercise information technology past using /equip prior to /ra and /equipset afterward /ra, with no wait. The client will not send 2 equip packets for the aforementioned slot in the same outgoing packet interval, but information technology volition gladly send an equip for every slot and an equipset afterwards. Then, brand an ingame equipset for midshot, and ready upward the macro by doing /equip for preshot, then /ra, then /equipset with no waits. I retrieve you'd desire it all in the same script to ensure windower doesn't mix upwards order of scripts.

I wouldn't call windower macros vanilla, but that'south just a nitpick.

^^ This is right on. Mix one windower macro and one equipset and information technology works without a delay/expect.

Equally Melphina suggested, a 1 second wait between /ra and equipping midshot set will very often neglect and you'll end up shooting in preshot gear (due to rapid shot procs, and RNG'south low delay from Velocity Shot + snapshot + Empy torso). Additionally, yous'll get in a brutal loop of the wrong gear equipping if you mash a macro too early if you have a /wait.

If you're using Windower and no GS, just cull /equipsets for preshot and Windower macro for midshots. Or vice versa, either way works - simply I prefer /equipsets for preshot sets because I have less of those than I practise midshot sets.

Personally, my setup for RNG is:
(1) Iii different preshot /equipsets (in-game /equipset): one for Flurry 2, one for Flurry i, one for no Flurry.
(2) Windower macros with full swaps for several unlike midshot sets: STP, Double Shot, Empy AM3 up (crit focused), max Racc.
(3) I practise all my shooting from the Macro bar and I simply do three "pages" of macros that are identical except for different preshot fix, and a macro for each midshot option.

So, my Macro page ane Ctrl# row (or Alt#, whatever works for you) is for when I have Flurry two, and has macros prepare upwardly like this:
[STP] [Double] [Crit] [Racc] [macro5] [macro6]...

The STP macro looks like this

:
/equipset 40 (where xl is my "Flurry 2" preshot set)
/ra <t>
/console exec rng/stp.txt (full Windower macro for my midshot STP set up)

My Macro page ii Ctrl# row has the verbal same structure and syntax, except changing the macros to use my Flurry 1 preshot set (/equipset 41) . And Macro folio 3 is over again the aforementioned thing except using 'no Flurry' preshot sets (/equipset 42).

This setup is reliable even in laggy zones. Easier to run into on other jobs, but for instance I do the same matter on BRD for precast/midcast sets. And that's a job where it is very easy to tell past sight whether your precast fix was on for a song, and yous could instantly tell if midcast gear up wasn't on due to big difference in song elapsing. Information technology just works - even when you lot get casting time reduction from like Nightingale insta-cast proc.

Moving upward/downwardly betwixt the three pages for Flurry level is essentially the same thing as using a toggle in a LUA. Information technology just doesn't auto-detect Flurry level like some LUAs, but similar.. big deal? It's non hard to simply look to see that you lot have Flurry, and only manually arrange if, say, Flurry drops for a few and you need to popular over to the Flurry 0 macro folio to fire off some shots before it's re-applied. I don't heed really playing the game instead of automating everything.

As you may exist able to judge, I'm also not into car-RA addons, react, or similar. Aye, Windower is still tertiary party tools and so we're all "cheaters" here to some level unless playing 100% vanilla FFXI apathetic apathetic apathetic. That'southward only my personal take on what I feel is "too far".

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »

I am enlightened of this. The thing about this is that vanilla macros simply have half dozen lines, so y'all apply at least iii just prepping with preshot/ra/midshot. That only leaves 3 slots for gear swaps using /equip, which is not plenty SS swaps. Scripts is another story because you're unlimited, but I was responding to Simon's comment where he said it wasn't possible with Vanilla (which would be half-dozen lines in a macro).

And yes, this is manifestly correct as well. And then for 100% vanilla, my arroyo doesn't work. I rely on Windower for that QOL power to put gear for every slot in one single line in an in-game macro, paired with the vanilla FFXI functionality to put a split up /equipset ready in some other unmarried macro line.

My response was more than to Melphina - who never asked for "Vanilla" and gave examples showing Windower macros - asking how to set information technology up without GS (just with the ability to employ a Windower gear prepare in a macro).

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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-xiii 16:21:12

Yous actually get 4, and you lot tin go along shared slots if you flip information technology. Equipset your midshot set up, with 4 snapshot swaps, then /ra, then 4 /equips to move them back. 4 may still non be plenty for perfect results, but I think it is meliorate to cede an additional midshot piece than employ waits in a macro you're likely to exist hammering.

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-thirteen 16:48:44

Shiva.Thorny said: »

You lot really get iv

You lot mean like this?

/equipset "Midshot" (includes four snapshot items)
/ra
/equip 1 (midshot piece)
/equip 2 (midshot piece)
/equip 3 (midshot piece)
/equip iv (midshot piece)

Then this can piece of work, like you lot said, you limit yourself on preshot speed. Multiple means to practise it with vanilla, only all of them accept issues. You either build the waits into your rhythm of firing, or yous bargain with suboptimal swaps, which may not necessarily cap you lot out in not-flurry situations. What information technology comes down to is if that 1s expect is more than inhibiting than slightly slower shots ever /ra. They both hold you back.

You have to motion for Hover Shot, and terminate briefly after getting to the right spot before you can ra. I haven't tried yet, merely I wonder if I could time my shot so that the wait in my macro occurs during the same time I would normally delay for server latency. That would minimize how impactful the wait between macro lines could be to overall DPS.

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By Odin.Demhar 2021-05-13 18:39:08

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »

SimonSes said: »

You demand mob that is weak/neutral to both concrete damage and fire and thats ofttimes not the case.

Is Arebati actually weak to fire (dmg)? We know piercing, but I take never seen fire nukes on him so i am non certain. Flaming Arrow with Gandiva could be a fun, if so.

I used Wildfire on it in numerous set up ups with Armageddon R15 it doesn't do much.

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By Odin.Demhar 2021-05-thirteen 18:55:eighteen

Bahamut.Justthetip said: »

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »

Then Gandiva is going to go my killed and laughed at twice as fast now huh

So I know I seen your post merely accept you tested out Gandiva yet? Legit feel similar its gonna exist super strong now would dear to see what yous find out.

We tested here on Noon Toad (lvl 131-133) The boost is very significant on Jishnu's Radiance and overall white dmg.
https://youtu.be/IIEqaSYJweA
[7:27] on timestamp

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By Odin.Demhar 2021-05-13 xix:03:48

Asura.Topace said: »

I wonder if capped hover shot makes fail not have some use. Wonder how apex arrow fairs at present.

Apex Arrow Not. Simply Neglect-Non will definitely non fail on Flaming Arrow!
Tested here:
https://youtu.exist/IIEqaSYJweA
[5:08] on timestamp

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By Odin.Demhar 2021-05-13 xix:32:41

Asura.Eiryl said: »

What'southward to wonder? How much did it exercise before? Double information technology. That'southward how it fairs now.

Am really curious near how it applies, exactly. Does Last stand become a double boost? JR a triple boost?

aka; is it applying to all hits of a multishot ws (especially flaming and hotshot)

https://youtu.exist/IIEqaSYJweA
[4:18] and on you will see all the WS'due south preformed on lvl 131-133 Apex Toad. Apex Arrow got the least boost from this. Hybrid applies on magical and physical side of the WS. JR is crit base and overall crit dmg has been boosted by the hover shot.

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By Asura.Topace 2021-05-13 19:52:29

Odin.Demhar said: »

Asura.Topace said: »

I wonder if capped hover shot makes fail non have some use. Wonder how apex arrow fairs now.

Apex Pointer Not. But Fail-Not volition definitely non neglect on Flaming Arrow!
Tested here:
https://youtu.be/IIEqaSYJweA
[five:08] on timestamp

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